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##Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
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Kurt Nicklas
2013-07-01 21:39:50 UTC
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Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing

http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true

The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.

Over a year ago, I explained why this would happen:

When Trayvon Martin was first shot to death nearly two months ago [on
February 26, 2012], state authorities sensibly opted not to charge
George Zimmerman with murder. It wasn?t that they were looking to excuse
wrongdoing. It was that the evidence was insufficient to prove murder
beyond a reasonable doubt.

Plainly, there was a lack of criminal intent: There was obviously no
premeditation; and, alternatively, the facts do not remotely suggest
that Zimmerman acted with a ?depraved mind regardless of human life?
(e.g., the savage indifference of a man who fires into a crowd, heedless
of the consequences). To the contrary, the known facts indicate (a)
Zimmerman?s concern that Martin was acting suspiciously (the depraved do
not call the police, as Zimmerman did, before shooting), and (b) a
struggle in which Zimmerman may well have been severely beaten and, in
any event, would have a strong basis to persuade a jury that he shot in
self-defense.

In advancing that argument, Zimmerman would be aided by Florida?s ?Stand
Your Ground? law, which gives the law-abiding latitude to use guns for
protection?.

The ?Stand Your Ground? point was gravy as far as the baseless murder
charge was concerned. If a prosecutor cannot prove the statutorily
required intent element (mens rea) for murder, then the accused?s
conduct cannot amount to murder, period. The accused only needs to rely
on a legal defense of his conduct (such as self-defense) if the
prosecution?s proof is sufficient to establish the offense (here,
murder) in the first place. But ?Stand Your Ground? would have been very
relevant had Zimmerman been formally accused of an offense less serious
than murder. Regarding that, as I observed when Zimmerman was initially
charged:

Florida law makes causing the death of a person under the age of 18
manslaughter, provided there has been ?culpable negligence.? It also
criminalizes as manslaughter the ?unnecessary killing? of a person in
order to resist or prevent that person?s violation of law (e.g., the use
of lethal force to repel a clearly non-lethal threat). Neither of these
charges would [be] a slam-dunk; indeed, they?d be losers if Zimmerman
shot because he was justifiably in fear of his life.

Despite the palpable lack of evidence that Zimmerman had the required
intent to commit murder, the state bowed to pressure from the racial
grievance industry (led by Huckster-in-Chief Al Sharpton), shamefully
aided and abetted by the most politicized, race-obsessed Justice
Department in American history. Lest we forget, it was Attorney General
Eric Holder?s collaboration with Sharpton and threat to trump up a
federal civil rights prosecution that induced state officials in Florida
to reconsider the initial decision not to charge Zimmerman.

It?s easy for a corrupt process to produce criminal charges. It is quite
something else to prove them. To try to fill the gaping intent hole in
its case, the Zimmerman prosecution has transferred the hobgoblin of
racism from the headlines into the courtroom. Indeed, it did not even
wait for the trial to do that; the prosecutor injected racism directly
into the charging documents.

As I noted at the time, the affidavit in ?support? of the murder charge
employed the explosive term ?profiling? to describe Zimmerman?s
suspicion of Martin. That word has no place in a charging instrument: It
was transparent code to imply, in the absence of any evidence, that
Zimmerman is a bigot who assumed Martin was up to no good just because
he was black.

?Profiling? is an ambiguous term. Generally speaking, it is a perfectly
appropriate, commonsense practice ? a marshaling of various
characteristics and behaviors typically found in kinds of criminal
conduct. It is routinely used by police to avoid hassling innocent
people. Like all sound police practices, it can be abused ? a bad cop
can invidiously home in on one characteristic (like race, religious
belief, political stance) and groundlessly associate it with
criminality. The latter is rare, but it is unfortunately what the racial
grievance industry, echoed by the media, has conditioned the public to
think of when the term ?profiling? is used. It is this slanderous
connotation of ?profiling? that the prosecution wants people (especially
juror-people) to associate with Zimmerman. Rather than as a legal term,
the charging documents use ?profiling? as an atmospheric ? since
prosecutors had neither the evidence to prove racism nor the courage to
be forthright about what they were doing.

It would be bad enough to do this in a case where attitudes about race
were pertinent ? say, a prosecution for violating someone?s civil
rights. But it is even more shameful to do it in a case where attitudes
about race are legally irrelevant. However much the media may be
fascinated by racial dynamics, racism or the lack of it should have no
bearing on a prosecution for what the law calls ?depraved indifference?
murder (second-degree murder in Florida).

Apropos of that, Powerline?s John Hinderaker has had an interesting
exchange with Legal Insurrection?s Andrew Branca. Putting aside the lack
of evidence that Zimmerman is a racist, John forcefully argues that, in
the context of this homicide prosecution, his purported racism is
?utterly beside the point.? The crux of the case, instead, is a simple
matter of whether Zimmerman?s admitted shooting of Martin was in
legitimate self-defense. Mr. Branca counters that the prosecution is
using racism (or at least the specter of racism) to substitute for its
dearth of evidence on the required mental element ? namely, that
Zimmerman acted with a ?depraved mind.?

Mr. Branca is quite right that this is what the prosecution is trying to
pull. He goes off the rails, though, in suggesting that this is a viable
theory. With due respect, I think his explanation of the statutory term
?depraved mind? is wrong. In part, he is conflating two separate mens
rea concepts that arise in murder cases: depravity and premeditation.

After correctly observing that ?Murder involves premeditation to kill
or, in Florida, a ?depraved mind?,? Mr. Branca elaborates (italics are
mine):

In order to prove the second degree murder charge the State brought
against Zimmerman they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he
acted with a depraved mind. To get to a depraved mind they need to show
some kind of hatred or ill-will. In most murder 2 cases the people know
each other and have a long history of animus, which is the source of the
?depraved mind?. Here Martin and Zimmerman did not know each other, so
the State is forced to pursue some more generalized hatred ? such as
racism.

I disagree. Generalized hatred has nothing to do with ?depraved mind?
murder. In such cases, we are not talking about intent driven by an
attitude specifically related to the victim, triggered by long-held
animus. We are talking, instead, about something almost diametrically
opposite: a perverse lack of regard for human life ? not the victim?s
human life but all human life.

Explaining this concept (with reference to New York state law) in the
2012 case of Gutierrez v. Smith, the Second Circuit U.S. Court of
Appeals instructs (my italics):

The archetypal depraved indifference murder ? would resemble ?shooting
into a crowd, placing a time bomb in a public place, or opening the door
of the lions? cage in the zoo.? By contrast, ? a one-on-one shooting or
knifing (or similar killing) can almost never qualify as depraved
indifference murder.?

Zimmerman?s killing of Martin is a one-on-one shooting. Now, to be sure,
the court did not say that one-on-one killings can never qualify as
?depraved indifference? murders. But it is exceedingly rare. When it
does occur, the focus is not on the subjective intent of the killer but
the objective recklessness of the killing ? e.g., a mother who beats her
infant to death (uncommon brutality combined with a particularly
vulnerable victim), or perhaps a game of Russian Roulette (or ?Polish
roulette? as it was called in a 1989 New York case ? People v. Roe ? in
which the accused loaded a gun with both real and dummy bullets, pointed
the gun at the victim, and callously fired).

With due respect to Mr. Branca, when the murderer knows his victim and
there is a long history of animus, we are usually talking about
premeditated murder. The animus tends to prove that the decision to kill
was made before the act that caused death. In Florida, that is first-
degree murder, which is not charged in the Zimmerman case.

Depraved mind murder, to the contrary, involves a state of mind evincing
no regard for human life. Far from a feeling of hatred or ill-will
toward the victim, what makes the killing depraved is the perverse lack
of feeling for the victim (i.e., there is no recognition of the victim?s
humanity). Having a motive is indicative of acting with deliberation,
not recklessness or indifference. In a depraved mind case, motive is
superfluous because what establishes the mens rea is the objective
barbarity of the act itself, not some fuzzy ?generalized hatred? that
may have been crawling around the killer?s brain.

It is virtually inconceivable that a situation involving self-defense on
the killer?s part will fit a ?depraved mind? charge. And I am not
limiting myself to situations when the self-defense claim is legally
convincing. I am saying that in any one-on-one scenario where self-
defense is worth raising, it is nigh inconceivable that a ?depraved
mind? murder has occurred. To be more concrete, let?s say we are in a
self-defense situation where the claim is legally insufficient: for
example, the use of lethal force was not a proportionate response to the
threat; or perhaps the killer provoked the altercation that eventually
led to his use of lethal force. In such circumstances, we can reject the
self-defense claim but still recognize that the killing was not
?depraved.? The degree of inhumanity required to make a killing
?depraved? is not going to be found in circumstances where a person is
defending himself, even if that defense is ? as a matter of law ?
excessive.

There is thus a chain of abuses that makes the Zimmerman prosecution a
disgrace. There is no evidence that Zimmerman is a racist. Racism cannot
be inferred from invocations of ?profiling? ? which tell us more about
the prosecutors than about Zimmerman. The imagined ?profiling? cannot be
inflated into a ?generalized hatred.? Even if there were a generalized
hatred, it cannot substitute for proof of the required mental element of
depraved indifference to human life ? racism is a noxious attitude, but
there are people who are mildly racist; no one is mildly depraved.

It is abundantly clear that the murder of Trayvon Martin is not a case
of second-degree murder, a charge that carries a possible life sentence
and a minimum of 25 years? imprisonment (because a firearm was used).
Yet, the special prosecutor brought the charge anyway. Plainly, she
hoped Zimmerman would be either railroaded in a trial that substituted
incitement for proof, or intimidated into pleading guilty to a lesser
charge.

This case does not belong in a criminal court. That it has gotten this
far is a sad triumph of demagoguery over due process.
Tom McDonald
2013-07-01 22:34:40 UTC
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Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.

<snip>
Kurt Nicklas
2013-07-01 22:49:02 UTC
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Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
Tom McDonald
2013-07-01 23:02:09 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
No. I just don't want to get ahead of myself.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-07-02 01:36:40 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Free Lunch
2013-07-02 01:39:57 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
Kurt Nicklas
2013-07-02 02:36:47 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
Jeannie's playing "Let's Pretend" again. It's something atheists in
these groups seem to do to avoid doing or thinking about something
reasonable but somewhat unpleasant.

As you say, people make decisions based on partial "evidence" every hour
of every waking day. Life would be impossible without it. To live means
to act on the best information available at the time.
Jason
2013-07-02 05:55:03 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-07-02 07:45:13 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
would, in
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
And we all know why.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Free Lunch
2013-07-02 22:34:03 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
would, in
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.

If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
Jason
2013-07-03 01:08:57 UTC
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<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
would, in
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
Free Lunch
2013-07-03 01:19:56 UTC
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for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
would, in
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
His lawyers were good enough to show how untrustworthy the LAPD was in
this case.

Sometimes very good things come of results like this. Along with the PR
catastrophe called the Rodney King beating, they finally were forced to
act like professional law enforcement people, not government-paid thugs.
Jason
2013-07-03 01:23:59 UTC
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predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
would, in
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a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
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lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
His lawyers were good enough to show how untrustworthy the LAPD was in
this case.
Sometimes very good things come of results like this. Along with the PR
catastrophe called the Rodney King beating, they finally were forced to
act like professional law enforcement people, not government-paid thugs.
The good news: O.J. has been in prison for the past several years.
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Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
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a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of
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collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by
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testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston
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Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only
charge?
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They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
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lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
His lawyers were good enough to show how untrustworthy the LAPD was in
this case.
Sometimes very good things come of results like this. Along with the PR
catastrophe called the Rodney King beating, they finally were forced to
act like professional law enforcement people, not government-paid thugs.
The good news: O.J. has been in prison for the past several years.
So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
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Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
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a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of
trial to
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collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by
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testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston
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Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only
charge?
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They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
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lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
His lawyers were good enough to show how untrustworthy the LAPD was in
this case.
Sometimes very good things come of results like this. Along with the PR
catastrophe called the Rodney King beating, they finally were forced to
act like professional law enforcement people, not government-paid thugs.
The good news: O.J. has been in prison for the past several years.
So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
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for the outcome of this trial.>
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Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted
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would, in
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a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of
trial to
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collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by
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testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston
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Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only
charge?
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They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
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lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to
make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before
either side
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has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
His lawyers were good enough to show how untrustworthy the LAPD was in
this case.
Sometimes very good things come of results like this. Along with the PR
catastrophe called the Rodney King beating, they finally were forced to
act like professional law enforcement people, not government-paid thugs.
The good news: O.J. has been in prison for the past several years.
So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
How is being tased and convulsing "trying to get up"?
--
JD

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Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted
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would, in
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a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of
trial to
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collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by
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testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston
relates at the
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Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only
charge?
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They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
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lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to
make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the
time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before
either side
Post by Free Lunch
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has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of
murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that
are now
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in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
His lawyers were good enough to show how untrustworthy the LAPD was in
this case.
Sometimes very good things come of results like this. Along with the PR
catastrophe called the Rodney King beating, they finally were forced to
act like professional law enforcement people, not government-paid thugs.
The good news: O.J. has been in prison for the past several years.
So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
How is being tased and convulsing "trying to get up"?
Prove that he was tased and was convulsing.
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Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us
predicted
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it
would, in
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a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days
of
trial to
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collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact,
by
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testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston
relates at the
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Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't
the only
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charge?
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They could find him not guilty of murder and still find
him
guilty of a
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lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to
make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all
the
time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before
either side
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has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of
murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all
hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star
witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that
are now
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in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
His lawyers were good enough to show how untrustworthy the LAPD was in
this case.
Sometimes very good things come of results like this. Along with the PR
catastrophe called the Rodney King beating, they finally were forced to
act like professional law enforcement people, not government-paid
thugs.
Post by Kurt Nicklas
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The good news: O.J. has been in prison for the past several years.
So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
How is being tased and convulsing "trying to get up"?
Prove that he was tased and was convulsing.
Look at the video; you can see the taser prongs.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
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So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
Maybe being clubbed to death had something to do with it?
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So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
Maybe being clubbed to death had something to do with it?
If he had stopped trying to get up, the cops would have stopped hitting
him with their batons. If he had complied with the orders of the cops to
"stay down", they would have stopped beating him with their batons.

There is a simple rule when dealing with cops: follow their orders.

Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
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So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
Maybe being clubbed to death had something to do with it?
If he had stopped trying to get up, the cops would have stopped hitting
him with their batons. If he had complied with the orders of the cops to
"stay down", they would have stopped beating him with their batons.
There is a simple rule when dealing with cops: follow their orders.
Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
How could he stay down when the cops kept tasing him and causing him to
convulse?
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
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So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the cops. The
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
Maybe being clubbed to death had something to do with it?
If he had stopped trying to get up, the cops would have stopped hitting
him with their batons. If he had complied with the orders of the cops to
"stay down", they would have stopped beating him with their batons.
There is a simple rule when dealing with cops: follow their orders.
Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
How could he stay down when the cops kept tasing him and causing him to
convulse?
prove it
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Post by Free Lunch
So you are not happy that the cops are no longer thugs?
I have respect for the L.A. cops. One issue was not reported in a major
way related to the Rodney King beating. There were several other black
people in Rodney King's car and NONE of them were injured by the
cops. The
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Jason
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Jason
reason: They followed the orders of the cops. On the other hand, Rodney
King did NOT follow the orders of the cops and kept trying to get up.
Maybe being clubbed to death had something to do with it?
If he had stopped trying to get up, the cops would have stopped hitting
him with their batons. If he had complied with the orders of the cops to
"stay down", they would have stopped beating him with their batons.
There is a simple rule when dealing with cops: follow their orders.
Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
How could he stay down when the cops kept tasing him and causing him to
convulse?
prove it
Watch the video.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
AlleyCat
2013-07-03 23:07:08 UTC
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On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:56:34 -0700,Jeanne Douglas says...
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jason
Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
How could he stay down when the cops kept tasing him and causing him to
convulse?
Tasers don't cause convulsions that make you stand up, moron.

This taser makes me laugh my white ass off, every damn time. Goes down
like a sack of potatoes, stiff as a board, no stupid "convulsions",
idiot.


Jason
2013-07-04 00:50:28 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:56:34 -0700,Jeanne Douglas says...
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jason
Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
How could he stay down when the cops kept tasing him and causing him to
convulse?
Tasers don't cause convulsions that make you stand up, moron.
This taser makes me laugh my white ass off, every damn time. Goes down
like a sack of potatoes, stiff as a board, no stupid "convulsions",
idiot.
http://youtu.be/TMCfMh9hEWA
What's it like to be a alley cat?

If you ever come out of your alley, I will call the cops and tell them to
taser you and beat you with their batons.
AlleyCat
2013-07-04 01:30:06 UTC
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On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:50:28 -0700,Jason says...
Post by Jason
What's it like to be a alley cat?
If you ever come out of your alley, I will call the cops and tell them to
taser you and beat you with their batons.
Mommy wants you to stay out of the Usenet groups, nerd. What are you,
12?
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-04 03:24:19 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:50:28 -0700,Jason says...
Post by Jason
What's it like to be a alley cat?
If you ever come out of your alley, I will call the cops and tell them to
taser you and beat you with their batons.
Mommy wants you to stay out of the Usenet groups, nerd. What are you,
12?
"Mommy"? That's what yours said, wasn't it?

You mean you finally got your momma away from that party after the 6th
fleet came in?

Jeanne Douglas
2013-07-04 02:54:20 UTC
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Post by Jason
Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:56:34 -0700,Jeanne Douglas says...
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jason
Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
How could he stay down when the cops kept tasing him and causing him to
convulse?
Tasers don't cause convulsions that make you stand up, moron.
This taser makes me laugh my white ass off, every damn time. Goes down
like a sack of potatoes, stiff as a board, no stupid "convulsions",
idiot.
http://youtu.be/TMCfMh9hEWA
What's it like to be a alley cat?
If you ever come out of your alley, I will call the cops and tell them to
taser you and beat you with their batons.
Wow. Jason's having those violent fantasies again.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-04 03:23:00 UTC
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Post by Jason
Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:56:34 -0700,Jeanne Douglas says...
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jason
Rodney King did NOT follow the orders of those cops.
How could he stay down when the cops kept tasing him and causing him to
convulse?
Tasers don't cause convulsions that make you stand up, moron.
This taser makes me laugh my white ass off, every damn time. Goes down
like a sack of potatoes, stiff as a board, no stupid "convulsions",
idiot.
http://youtu.be/TMCfMh9hEWA
What's it like to be a alley cat?
Smells like the pussy he is, Probably.
AlleyCat
2013-07-03 02:17:07 UTC
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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:08:57 -0700,Jason says...
Post by Jason
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
Bullshit. If you want to praise the "Dream Team" of being "great", it
was only because they knew the jury was comprised of sub 85 IQ mouth
breathing pickaninnies. They knew that they could put the only black
lawyer on the team, worth a shit, up there and wave his magic wand and
say the stupidest, childish, Dr. Seuss nursery rhyme and Snoop Doggy
Dogshit rap he could think of, "If the glove doesn't fit, you must
acquit." Those sub-humans bought it. Mark Furman's racial comments
shouldn't have decided quilt or innocence, but here we are again...
black jury, inferior minds, deciding the fate of one of their "heroes".

Meanwhile, there are two people dead, that could have contributed more
to society than 3/4's of the blacks in the whole nation... especially
OJ, who's contributing sphincter and jelly to Thunder Dick.


Jeanne Douglas
2013-07-03 03:21:25 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 18:36:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their
flash mobs
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
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for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution
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predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
would, in
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
Those lawyers wouldn't have helped if not for the racist cop. Some of
the jurors even said this was their chance to get some revenge on the
racism of the LAPD.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Jason
2013-07-03 05:43:18 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
In article
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 18:36:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In article
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their
flash mobs
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
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Post by Tom McDonald
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for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution
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predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge
George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it
would, in
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial
to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the
direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at
the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only
charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
Those lawyers wouldn't have helped if not for the racist cop. Some of
the jurors even said this was their chance to get some revenge on the
racism of the LAPD.
O.J. still would have not been found guilty because the jury was on O.J.'s
side from day 1 of the trial. The fix was in from day 1 of the trial
because O.J's legal team done a great job of picking the location of the
trial and that made it easy to get the people on the jury that they
wanted.

If the trial had been moved to another city and took place in a court
house on the good side of town, O.J. would have been found guilty due to
having a far better jury.
Jeanne Douglas
2013-07-03 06:57:37 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In article
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 18:36:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In article
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their
flash mobs
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
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predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge
George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted
it
would, in
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of
trial
to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the
direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates
at
the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only
charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him
guilty of a
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Free Lunch
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People make predictions based on the evidence available all the time,
but when it comes to trials making such a prediction before either side
has completed its case does seem a bit foolish.
I agree. Most Americans believed that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder
but the jury found him not guilty of murder.
That is because the DA and the LAPD messed up the case beyond all hope.
If you want to convict someone of murder, don't have your star witness
be a racist pig.
O.J. won since he had some great lawyers. Many criminials that are now in
prison would never have been placed in prison if they had O.J.'s legal
team.
Those lawyers wouldn't have helped if not for the racist cop. Some of
the jurors even said this was their chance to get some revenge on the
racism of the LAPD.
O.J. still would have not been found guilty because the jury was on O.J.'s
side from day 1 of the trial. The fix was in from day 1 of the trial
because O.J's legal team done a great job of picking the location of the
trial and that made it easy to get the people on the jury that they
wanted.
If the trial had been moved to another city and took place in a court
house on the good side of town, O.J. would have been found guilty due to
having a far better jury.
And there's Jason's racism at full blossom.
--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Kurt Nicklas
2013-07-02 02:30:16 UTC
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In article <hlwdjsd2-***@news.giganews.com>, hlwdjsd2
@NOSPAMgmail.com says...
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Kurt Nicklas
<Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson are probably assembling their flash mobs
for the outcome of this trial.>
Zimmerman Prosecution Predictably Collapsing
http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2013/06/30/zimmerman-prosecution-
predictably-collapsing/?singlepage=true
The state of Florida?s politically driven decision to charge George
Zimmerman with murder has resulted, as some of us predicted it would, in
a pathetically weak case. It has taken only a few days of trial to
collapse of its own weightlessness ? undone, in fact, by the direct
testimony of a prosecution witness, as Bryan Preston relates at the
Tatler and Ed Morrissey details at Hot Air.
You do realize, don't you, that the top charge isn't the only charge?
They could find him not guilty of murder and still find him guilty of a
lesser, included, charge.
Do you have a prediction for the outcome that you'd like to make?
How can anybody make a prediction without all the evidence?
People do it all the time. I'm betting even you make decisions every day
without having all the evidence.

Think about it if you dare.
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